Setting-Up a Water Refilling Station

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1. ORLY-SHANGHAI says:

   April 17, 2009 at 7:28 pm

   Karlo,

   It is advisable if you will submit first your raw water for physico chemical analysis sa accredited laboratory ng DOH and after that we can identify the setting for your system.

   For any clarifications please feel free to contact us or visit us at 352 Shaw Blvd.Brgy. Addition Hills,
   Mandaluyong City
   Tel: 718-1280; 534-9169 ;Fax: 531-3543
   Email: shanghaioriental001@hotmail.com
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   April 17, 2009 at 2:14 pm

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3. kmi says:

   April 16, 2009 at 8:29 pm

   hi,

   thank you both for the very informative posts.

   i will be running a 3000 gpd system within the next few days :)

   tanong ko lang what would be the best settings to get a 50-50 product to waste water ratio without maximizing the membrane.. mga tipong 1000 or 1500 gpd lang?

   and would it be possible/advisable to.. let’s say.. mag connect ng hose for the waste water to return back to the source tank? sayang kasi waste water malinis naman hehe

   many thanks,
   karlo
4. pinky says:

   April 16, 2009 at 10:07 am

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   Sales Engineer
   Livingwater System Inc.
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   April 16, 2009 at 10:06 am

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   Sales Engineer
   livingwater Systems Inc
6. ORLY-SHANGHAI says:

   April 14, 2009 at 1:22 pm

   Fallacies on the number of stages (Part 1)

   Nowadays, the belief is that, “the longer the stages the cleaner the water”. So many set ups were being advertised with the highlights of the number of stages.14, 16, 18, 21, 23, 26, 29 etc.

   Question is that, are the number of stages would guarantee you, to have the safest drinking water?

   Allow me to present the basic units used in a typical water treatment design for water station.

   1) Multi-media depth filter (MMDF) – Fiber reinforced plastic (FRP) tank with either automatic, manual or semi-automatic valve with media elements inside. This unit is used to trap particulates or suspended solids from the water through depth filtration. When we talk of depth filtration, it means that filtration happens from top to the bottom of the major filter media which is the Anthracite Coal probably 1 ft3. Volumes for 1054 tank size and below it are layers of sand and gravel that acts as a supporting bed to prevent the major filter media from collapsing. It can either be 3, 4 or seven layers depending on the designer’s desired height. Let us say we settle for 3 layers supporting bed and Anthracite coal on top, we will be having 4 layers for the MMDF unit. We have 4 layers but function is one. Trapping of particulates but it is projected as four stages. We have to establish that when we talk of stages, it refers to the gradual enhancement of water in terms of quality as it passes through the said stages. Now talking of MMDF, how many enhancements do the water undergoes? Four stage enhancement or just one? So is it right to say 4 stages or 4 layers single stage?

   2) Carbon tank- same concept as the MMDF but the difference is the major filter media, Granular Activated Carbon is used as top layer. Some are saying that there are layers of bituminous carbon, lignite carbon and granular activated carbon but actually functions of bituminous and lignite are the features of Granular Activated Carbon (GAC) sabi nga same banana. It is designed to remove foul taste, odor, color caused by organic contaminants and any carbon based substance or derivatives. Again it has 4 layers, so how many stages does a carbon tank have? Four or one?

   3) Water Softener Tank- same concept as that of MMDF and Carbon Tank but again the difference is the major filter media which is the Resin (Cation resin for calcium, magnesium and iron adsorption) Designed to remove hardness from the water. So again it has 4 layers but single function which is to convert hard water into soft water by removing calcium and magnesium from the water via ion exchange process(next time I will be discussing the concept of ion exchange).So again, how many stages does a water softener tank has? Four or one?

   4) RO sediment pre-filter- you can use 5 micron and 1 micron or just 5 micron sediment filter. However some are using 20,10,5 and 1 micron .We assumed that we will be using 5 and 1 micron sediment filter. So for this segment we use 2 stages.

   5) Reverse Osmosis system-Designed to remove salt and other minerals from the water. This is again one stage.

   6) Polishing carbon- .We can use either one or two carbon block filters. For our discussion, we use 2 carbon blocks so that means to say, we have 2 stages of polishing carbon. The first carbon block is intended to remove organic contaminants that the water might have while inside the product tank and the second carbon is for further enhancement in terms of taste and appearance.

   7) Ultra Violet Sterilizer-eliminates disease causing micro-organisms by emitting ultra violet rays while water is passing through the reaction chamber. This is again a single stage process.

   Here is the summary:

   MMDF – 1 stage
   Carbon Tank- 1 stage
   Water Softener- 1 stage
   RO pre filter- 2 stages
   RO- 1 stage
   Polishing carbon- 2 stages
   UV- 1 stage

   Total number of stages: 9 stages

   Next time, I will be discussing the analysis and interpretation of the concept presented.
7. pinky says:

   April 14, 2009 at 9:49 am

   tama po kayo sir orly, isa din sa problema namin yan sa livingwater, we offered a package for 3000 gpd which is as dual membrane design, but the problem is the price, we would no longer be competitive because most of our competitors are offering a single membrane design, and even if we explain to the customers the advantages of having the right design, but still they are being blinded off with the price.even on the technical specs, oftentimes we encounter same price with our equipment, but different specs, we have stressed out the differences, but sometimes, clients really based more on the price and less on the quality to the extent that we have to let go of clients.
   i think its a matter of misinformation, kse when they are already briefed that its all same, its really hard to convince, naka mind set na kung baga.tapos in the end, ayun na, magrereklamo na na kulang nga ang flowrate at ang tendency pa, short lifespan ang membrane.
8. ORLY-SHANGHAI says:

   April 13, 2009 at 10:26 am

   Teody,

   Puede mong gamitin yon, however before designing the set up, we have to analyze the physical and chemical properties ng tubig para we can come up with the right design.

   To those who are interested in putting up the water station business, I would suggest that you have to thoroughly study the concept before deciding.

   We are talking here of hard earned money, as for me, I would rather be happy if you will not continue your plans if you are not fully aware of the concept than to decide immediately then afterwards magsisi ka.

   Hinay hinay lng ba, there is a saying that “Rome was not built in a day”. Now kung ready na kayo then that is the time to start.

   I’ve seen so many water stations failed, I do not want new comers like you would suffer the same fate.

   The happiest moment in my life is to see all my clients grow, there is some sort of fulfillment in my life everytime it happens.
   It is part of my commitment in the water industry to lead you to the right way as far as my knowledge is concern.

   Hope you can consider my advice.

   For any questions & clarifications please feel free to contact us at:
   Tel. Nos. 534-2431 ; 534-5767 ; 534-3543

   God Bless!
9. teody says:

   April 13, 2009 at 4:11 am

   Sir Orly, very informative, though technical aspects was very well explained, I need to study and learn the basic of maintaining a WRS I am planning to set up in the future. May you continue to shower us with information and the potential of it as a profitable business venture. Question lang po, puede bang gamitin ang chlorinated water from local water source na mainit, coz’ I am from Los Baños.
10. derick says:

    April 12, 2009 at 2:34 am

    ang laki pala ng kapital, tsk tsk tsk…. nauhaw ako ah hehehe :D
11. derick says:

    April 12, 2009 at 2:27 am

    i’m interested to open my own water refilling station… kindly e-mail me, thanks po
12. Jhoie Saldua says:

    April 12, 2009 at 12:25 am

    I want to start my own water refilling station. i already have a place at my house where i could set it up. i an now just looking for a supplier of the machine, etc. can you help me with this? thank you!
13. ORLY-SHANGHAI says:

    April 11, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    All bloggers,

    ISSUES CONCERNING THE 3000 GPD
    REVERSE OSMOSIS SYSTEM

    Many things and concepts were discussed here about membranes. It was established that membrane production depends on so many factors. For you to establish a 3000 GPD production (single membrane) is comparable to running your car at a speed of 180 to 220 km/hour.

    You have pushed the membrane’s performance to its maximum limit. In fact, if you are to compare our membrane design to other countries then you can see the major difference in terms of technical design.

    A typical 3000 GPD in other countries is using 2 membranes. You know why? They are considering the safety factor. They are making a safe projection on the membranes performance.

    Here in our country, we are doing the contrary, we are pushing the membranes to its maximum limit and as a result, membrane’s service life is shortened.

    I’m just wondering, most of the package being sold today are single membrane with 3000 GPD production rating. You think that is right?

    Mathematically speaking, if you divide 3000 by 24 and divide the answer by 60, you will have 2.083 GPM or gal/min. So if the client will see that production is below this, then he/she will say that the system is not right.

    Since there are factors affecting the membrane production, it is difficult to establish 3000 GPD especially in places where TDS and Chlorides are high.

    So, why mention 3000 GPD using single membrane? Why not mention 1500 or 2000 GPD?

    What I am trying to point out is the level of professionalism when presenting the system.
    Clients have the right to be informed correctly, sabi nga transparency, hindi lng puro sales talk then later sablay pala, so apparently the credibility of the company or the person doing the system will fall down.

    I don’t want to discuss more about this issue, but just a point to consider to all concerns.

    Next time I will be discussing Fallacies about number of stages.
14. ORLY-SHANGHAI says:

    April 11, 2009 at 2:28 pm

    All Bloggers,

    Why do I kept on stressing, knowing the right concepts of filtration and purification.
    I just want to share an incident that I encountered last Wed, April 8.

    There was a walk in client in the office that day, I was called by one of my staffs to handle the issue and when I talked to her, she was very depressed of what had happened to her water station. I asked her why were she able to know our company and she told me that she just saw our display while passing along Shaw Blvd. She bought filters and she shared to me her problems hoping that she can get a better solution to her problems.

    She bought her water station to her friend who happened to migrate to Canada 5 months ago. Included were the systems, some bottles, few dispensers, 2 units of padyak bikes and she was the one who continued the rental of the place. So thinking that she can save for the site renovation and marketing efforts, she paid the total amount of P300,000. The system was just 6 months old at that time and as of that day, Wed, April 9 the system was just 11 month old.

    She discussed to me so many concerns about the maintenance she spent from the time she acquired the unit. All the media elements were replaced, membrane was changed and she kept on buying pumphead (Procon).

    To sum it all, she was able to spend P100,000 and still problems are not solved. She is still complaining of low production, high TDS, frequent replacement of pump head. What makes my blood boils was according to the water company that handles her concern, all the parts are made in China nowadays that is why she encounters so many problem.

    Sabi nga hindi pa Byernes Santo, naghugas na ng kamay si Pontio Plilato, The client was a wife of a Seaman and all they want was to have a business pero the way things are going right now they just want to close the business due to so many technical problems of the systems and they cannot spend more for additional major repairs since all their savings was used up.

    I just advised her that for the meantime, just operate the business and just focus on the immediate problem, which is the constant replacement of pumphead. I even recommended a technician that will trouble shoot the problem and will give her the cheaper alternative means.

    As of this time, the technician texted me and so far, he was able to solve the problem and I was very happy because I was able to help the client in my own little way.

    So, how would you empathize with the client? Who should be blamed? Her ignorance of the concept? or the company that pretends to know the concept? this is what I am telling, any person or company that are engaged in this business should have this social obligation of doing the right thing so as not to create disastrous act that will affect water station owners.
15. ORLY-SHANGHAI says:

    April 11, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    All bloggers,

    All were said and discussed by RVP and Pinky, it is good that we are now having exchange of ideas, which is nice.

    Since our readers right now are having ideas of the factors that affect the performance of the membrane, I just want to discuss some wrong beliefs about the membrane per se.

    First, some are saying that Hydronautics membranes made in China have lesser quality than counterparts made in Japan or USA.
    Most of the end users had the wrong impressions of the products made in China.

    We have to consider the fact that Nitto Denko, manufacturer of Hydranautics is a Japanese company, and had a manufacturing plant in Japan, USA and China.

    With regards to quality, then all these plants are under the supervision of Nitto Denko so I do not see any variations when it comes to the general quality in terms of performance.

    The reason for the price difference is due to freight, handling and taxes. Even labor in China is cheaper, so the cost of China made Hydranautics membranes are really cheaper compared to USA and Japanese made.

    When we talk of quality, regardless of its point of origin, should be the same.

    Second, Filmtech membranes on the other hand are all manufactured in USA except for HRLE which is made in China, but DOW, the manufacturer of Filmtech have plans of transferring their production in China.

    Third, CSM membranes are all made in Korea, when talking of technologies, they are far more superior to ours, and CSM brands have gained reputations in the world market.

    Fourth, Osmonics membranes are also US brand but I do not know if they already have the manufacturing plant here in ASIA, I am not familiar with operations of GE when it comes to their production sites.

    Fifth, other brands not mentioned, as long as they have the test protocol written in the brochure to prove their claims, then we can conclude that qualities are competitive.

    The point is that, regardless of any membrane brands, as long as you know its characteristics and applications and as long as the system design is right then, we can say that all membranes would function according to its purpose.

    Sad to say, nowadays, most of the membrane failures are believed to cause by its poor quality. Although we cannot discount the fact that there are some factory defects issue, but that would be ruled out upon assessment of the systems design and membrane performance.

    I just hope that someday, all concerned will all be enlightened with the right concepts of filtration and purification.